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PostSubject: Re: Leaving :/   Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:16 am

and i think the guys from NN are never on:D hmmm, I think this whole topic was talking abt only that?!
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PostSubject: Re: Leaving :/   Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:30 pm

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and i think the guys from NN are never on:D


I think you didn't have the guys from nn in ur xfire... Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Leaving :/   Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:09 pm

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chaosoglan wrote:
and i think the guys from NN are never on:D


I think you didn't have the guys from nn in ur xfire... Wink


And you didn't respond when u played on a hidden server and i asked u to come to scrim...

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PostSubject: Re: Leaving :/   Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:05 pm

first - i still see dukes post as if noone quit nn it would be active clan (stating that -nn- is not 100% born to be inactive - its still have some part of "normal/ordinary clan in its dna)

second - i just post not because i was here or failes or succeeded in clan leading or whatever - i just see that all people who come and quit report the same - INACTIVITY - and you guys on one hand go on with fun thing and on the other go with WHY YOU LEFT thing... just make a statement - -nn- is not active clan , it scrims on average (taking last year for example) once in 2 weeks or something, bla bla bla. not like present your clan as clan where its friendly people (no doubt except attitude to forum troll aka ghostdog) and skilled players. just add that you dont scrim!!!!

third - mostly i just tell ugly truth which i see and hear and which is UGLY and it seems that i am still only one who can tell it loud and admit it - so dont take all my posts like "in your face" or "here is my revenge" posts... i still try to do some good for this clan advicing it to people who might fit here and posting up to date info about nn image here.

fourth - i would say that i was rised from TC clan and duke at least saw all of it and partly rised me also and hopefully will understand following - i think that i did not fail in leading nn - it pwned it scrimed it had nice reputation while i was leading. and when the time came where clan did not think / did not want to go same way with me i did what i had to do - leave it in safe new / unofficial leader's hands...

fifth - to dice - i maybe egsaturte a lil bit but dont go from fly to donkie just because of nothing. same thing with teamwork - there was time that duke said it to me in TC and -nn- that have to do more teamwork, have to do this and that and we even did come in TC server and plan our games, strategy played vs eachother to get our teamm8 playing style etc. in one word - DID A LOT OF WORK. but when time comes that you cant handle that load sure its easier to take a "FUN" side and become other person. i was and still am as a coach who will never stop trying neither let others try less that 100% if they do something - thats because i said that there is not teamwork even if there was some of it - because if you go black and white and there is like teamwork in 20-30% of a game its still fail its not even half so same as at school - its black = no teamwork. so was with all other things.

otherwise what i see here now - its duke woot dice and edi Razz 3 leaders who gave up trying and are just lieing here to like dice said have clan and dont be one of those clanless players - its called "need of belonging" in pshycology. and here you go bit against each other again as you say that you have real life but still want to belong here as well in case real life is not so good. but thats other strory and might be ugly truth from my side again. (no offence just analysis). also to replay about leading - dont see any leaders here so sorry you are not much better as fail Smile

to finish this story and summ up all - delete inactive members like hotshot or rosa who hardly come online oh skillz too.
declare clan "FUN CLAN" with no obligation and add how often you tend to scrim - so there is at least some hard measurable facts there.
and end up with few members mostly leaders and be happy Smile - anyway is not anything else now its just not stated and most hearing -nn- clan name still get assumption i want to join it because they are skilled, active and playing scrim using teamwork bla bla bla...
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PostSubject: Re: Leaving :/   Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:18 pm

anyone wanna sum that up i srsly aint gonna read that

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PostSubject: Re: Leaving :/   Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:40 pm

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anyone wanna sum that up i srsly aint gonna read that


Well I tried to read all, but I stopped at the point where I am called a liar.

Sumary: teamplay bla bla activity bla bla clan is dieing bla bla...

Also some: "Delete inactive HotShot from memberlist" (Yes, the same HotShot who played the last scrims vs.srs...)

And some: "I was a good leader"

One word to Ghost: When the day comes where we need your advice, we will ask you, until then I will not comment your crap anymore...

Never saw a person who always look for mistakes of others, but never accepts his own mistakes like you do. Get a life, get a gf. There are more important things than "how does my quake3 clan which I left a half year ago"

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PostSubject: Re: Leaving :/   Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:43 pm

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Never saw a person who always look for mistakes of others, but never accepts his own mistakes like you do. Get a life, get a gf. There are more important things than "how does my quake3 clan which I left a half year ago"

n1 duke say him say...Admin power
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PostSubject: Re: Leaving :/   Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:16 am

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second - i just post not because i was here or failes or succeeded in clan leading or whatever - i just see that all people who come and quit report the same - INACTIVITY - and you guys on one hand go on with fun thing and on the other go with WHY YOU LEFT thing... just make a statement - -nn- is not active clan , it scrims on average (taking last year for example) once in 2 weeks or something, bla bla bla. not like present your clan as clan where its friendly people (no doubt except attitude to forum troll aka ghostdog) and skilled players. just add that you dont scrim!!!!

already wrote about that... pay attention Wink
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if somebody doesent like to be in nn due to its inactivity or wants to play scrims all day long, than this is not clan for him and he has liberty to leave or not join,
but if they dont have much time for q3 as i said, he is more than welcome to join us


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third - mostly i just tell ugly truth which i see and hear and which is UGLY and it seems that i am still only one who can tell it loud and admit it - so dont take all my posts like "in your face" or "here is my revenge" posts... i still try to do some good for this clan advicing it to people who might fit here and posting up to date info about nn image here.

heres advice: dont advice us. u left this clan, none forced u to do it, and now u cant expect us to again listen to ur blabing about teamwork and inactivity...
i dont see ur posts like "in ur face" or "heres my revenge" as u said it, i can see that u have good intentions, but we are all tired of ur posts of that kind...

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fifth - to dice - i maybe egsaturte a lil bit but dont go from fly to donkie just because of nothing. same thing with teamwork - there was time that duke said it to me in TC and -nn- that have to do more teamwork, have to do this and that and we even did come in TC server and plan our games, strategy played vs eachother to get our teamm8 playing style etc. in one word - DID A LOT OF WORK. but when time comes that you cant handle that load sure its easier to take a "FUN" side and become other person. i was and still am as a coach who will never stop trying neither let others try less that 100% if they do something - thats because i said that there is not teamwork even if there was some of it - because if you go black and white and there is like teamwork in 20-30% of a game its still fail its not even half so same as at school - its black = no teamwork. so was with all other things.

dunno about TC, cant say that u are right or wrong... but i know what u thought that teamwork is while u were leader here, and i can say that teamwork is not running around map satisfying ur needs...
u expected us to come to ur frozen body in split second from another side of map, killing enemy in our way if we have a chance, melting ur ass, and doing all that while u are spamming, enemy here, im frozen, stay silent, bla bla... thats impossible. we are not merky, and i doubt that merky could do it neither... scrims were so stressful, so they ended up like "we fail, we couldnt do the mission impossible..."

and again here we go back to 'fun' part; there was no fun in trying to be tom cruise... maybe we still suck in teamwork, but at least we dont freak out "omg, ghost will complain about lame teamwork",
even if there was a pretty good one... i get it, u maybe wanted to motivate us to try harder, but it wasnt working, so u should tried some other things to do it...

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and here you go bit against each other again as you say that you have real life but still want to belong here as well in case real life is not so good. but thats other strory and might be ugly truth from my side again. (no offence just analysis). also to replay about leading - dont see any leaders here so sorry you are not much better as fail Smile

no, i dont wanna belong here in case my life is not so good as u said, i want to belong here couse i wanna relax from hard day when im able to...
this is my form of relaxation, maybe some chatting with clanmates, or other players, or playing to have fun,
but certainly not a backup of my life, and i think that it is why are we not trying very much to make this clan something u ever wanted it to be

maybe i do fail in leading, and maybe woot fails in leading, but we dont wanna make same mistakes u did...

ghostdog wrote:
to finish this story and summ up all - delete inactive members like hotshot or rosa who hardly come online oh skillz too.
declare clan "FUN CLAN" with no obligation and add how often you tend to scrim - so there is at least some hard measurable facts there.
and end up with few members mostly leaders and be happy Smile - anyway is not anything else now its just not stated and most hearing -nn- clan name still get assumption i want to join it because they are skilled, active and playing scrim using teamwork bla bla bla...


why should we hotshot, or rosa, or skillz? if u didnt noticed, skillz is pretty active, hotshot too (maybe not playing q3 all the time, but at least he is there if we call him for scrim...)


and to finish this story, i will add a little quote that u can find in announcement made by exo in joining section:
3xorc1st wrote:
We do not guarantee any activity

i know that this clan has changed leaders few times, but hey, its still here!
i dont expect much activity, couse im not very active, and thats the reason why i didnt put it away...
dunno ur reason, or woots reason, or even dukes while he was leader with u, but thats my attitude to this clans activity and inactivity

peace Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Leaving :/   Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:10 am

as i said - you just see that its my post, then look words like teamwork or whatever and then in your mind equal that to = ghost again speaks about clan he left, he is bad and failed as leader - fuck what he is writing. Who gives a fuck i really have / had good intension only.

about my teamwork stuff - i cant say because i dont remember what did i say but my teamwork perfect model was = stick toether, teamchat a lot about enemy's position. nothing about satisfying my needs (you can see my ss in xfire when i try for clans i usually am the man last in frags but first in melts - so i do that running through and melting even if it means i will die). thing here is that really i tried to push out 100% effort in each scrim from each player and you i dont know why started to be scared of me and i bet talked more about me behind my back rather than in my face - so maybe partly my fail in our relations aka clan leading was the fact i didnt ask for feedback in the right way (because i had some feedback that yeah we sucked a lil, or i played with music on bla bla bla) which made me push even harder for that 100% effort. But on the other hand you all also didnt comunicate with me - telling that come on lets chill, fuck teamwork we tried etc. In one point i just realized that part of -nn- (woot, duke, later also dice and skillz) was scared to play with me while such people like hotshot, rosa, dc power, useless and moral still i guess enjoyed playing with me.

anyways one thing is for sure - you dont want me to post in this forum (because i will i guess post only my point of view of different issues raised in sections i see), definately joining and spam sections are not intereting for me so my posts still in general will be under "bad ghost comments about clan issues" so you better ban me here if you really dont want to see my posts.

pz. ban?
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PostSubject: Re: Leaving :/   Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:23 am

u got me wrong dude, i dont mind ur posts, i can actually learn some things from it, as u are more in this game then me, and have more expirience, but i dont like ur posts when u criticize us in teamwork and inactivity, which i know that we lack of...

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PostSubject: Re: Leaving :/   Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:03 pm

d1c3cr1pt0r wrote:
u got me wrong dude, i dont mind ur posts, i can actually learn some things from it, as u are more in this game then me, and have more expirience, but i dont like ur posts when u criticize us in teamwork and inactivity, which i know that we lack of...


dont criticize just stating that its not here and probably will never be here so just admit it so other people like geek or power or ava7ar will not leave and not join clan because of different assumption...

point on that post was that people think:

a) -nn- is long gone - dead
b) its active strong clan (as most of "normal" clans)
c) what is -nn-?

which none is true...
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PostSubject: Re: Leaving :/   Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:19 pm

i wasnt afraind to scrim with you but your "team playing" just doesnt fit with my way of playing i like to move around and stuff i rember quite a few times when you sid enemy at mid crouched with gaut and wait for them to come and we did this for like 30 ces then the enemy came from back and shot us both. gg to that

its funny i can play with anyother palyer from nn just fine i only had problems with your playing i dont point out ppls mistakes cuz half the fun is finding your own weakness thats the way i got so good well was so good i did it all my self

yes i do fail as the leader but i do not take the fun out of the game for ppl if they dont do so well in scrim who gives a flying fuck train get better or dont its not my place to say how you should spend your free time i play when i can/when i want to and if i suck in a game i dont care if my team mates suck i dont care its fun to have a challange

so my msg to the clan

HAVE FUN IN GAME NO MATTER WHAT THE SCORE, BUT IN REAL LIFE THATS WHERE THE SCORE MATTERS

and we wount ban you

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PostSubject: Re: Leaving :/   Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:56 pm

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i wasnt afraind to scrim with you but your "team playing" just doesnt fit with my way of playing i like to move around and stuff i rember quite a few times when you sid enemy at mid crouched with gaut and wait for them to come and we did this for like 30 ces then the enemy came from back and shot us both. gg to that


first -not the fact that that enemy i was reporting was one to get you from the back - i aint no god to tell you all and move you all - i just said what i thought was important - in this case campers who are hard to spot. but still it does not mean that if i say something you should turn your brain off - partly its again not totaly my fault huh?
second - nothing is perfect so am i... i just did state the fact and my suggestion - my message wasnt "dont you dare to enter that room - you will stay still and do that that and that...

w00t wrote:
yes i do fail as the leader but i do not take the fun out of the game for ppl if they dont do so well in scrim who gives a flying fuck train get better or dont its not my place to say how you should spend your free time i play when i can/when i want to and if i suck in a game i dont care if my team mates suck i dont care its fun to have a challange


didnt get this part - donno is it language or something else. and it sounds also kind of selfish dont you think so? you dont care about yourself, dont care about others and dont care about game much... and of curse it was challange for you to pull out team if m8 fail.
me on the other hand cared for the clan image, for the result (as it is fun to win - and dont say you dont like win feeling comparing to lose feeling of curse with some exception but in general), and most of all i cared about people - i shouted on few members like come on get your attitude right and why you give up even before scrim like using music during the game etc. and those people still came back to me and also many said thx i learned a lot from you...
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PostSubject: Re: Leaving :/   Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:05 pm

ill read it respond tomorow gn

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PostSubject: Re: Leaving :/   Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:09 pm

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i wasnt afraind to scrim with you but your "team playing" just doesnt fit with my way of playing


That was the point. I remember at the beginning the teamplay of Ghost was perfect. At the end it was the worst of all nn members. Way too many teamchat, just running on his own, expecting others to follow him. No way to talk with him about his mistakes, he declared himself to the teamplay god, all others sucked in teamplay. Teamchat by him was useless. When you followed him, it was kinda random "enemy near" or "get away". The chance was 50:50 to get the enemy where he thought he is, or enemy from behind. He ignored all kind of other teamchat. Even complaind that there is no teamchat when I did teamchatspamming especially for him.

He will never think about his mistakes, his rudeness to others, his insults. But complains about the attitude of others. He is always right. So all discussion with him is useless. Just give it up. I never insult people online or in my real life, I am kinda soft, nice guy. But for him I make an exception, hes just a fancied bastard. Probably to much stereoids.

I tried to be nice to him again lately, I can forgive mistakes like I expect others to forgive me when I did a mistake. But I can also say "excuse me". He will never say that.

Sorry for that, but it must have been said.

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